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Buenos Aires, 12 de mar\u00e7o de 2021<\/p>\n
Pepita querida:<\/p>\n
Como voc\u00ea est\u00e1? Quanto tempo passou e n\u00e3o voltamos a nos encontrar!<\/p>\n
O tema do pr\u00f3ximo ENAPOL me leva a lhe escrever para pensarmos juntas \u201co novo no amor e nos la\u00e7os contempor\u00e2neos\u201d.<\/p>\n
De imediato me vem \u00e0 mente a cita\u00e7\u00e3o de Lacan do Semin\u00e1rio 10: s\u00f3 o amor permite ao gozo condescender ao desejo<\/em>, uma b\u00fassola para pensar o la\u00e7o amoroso entre os sexos. O amor funcionando como v\u00e9u e ao mesmo tempo como possibilidade de encontro.<\/p>\n Depois, essa cita\u00e7\u00e3o se p\u00f4s a conversar em minha cabe\u00e7a com outra do Semin\u00e1rio 20<\/em>, que lhe transcrevo: O amor \u00e9 impotente, ainda que seja rec\u00edproco, porque ele ignora que \u00e9 apenas o desejo de ser Um, o que nos conduz ao imposs\u00edvel de estabelecer a rela\u00e7\u00e3o dos… <\/em>deles. <\/em>Aqui, o amor impotente frente \u00e0 n\u00e3o rela\u00e7\u00e3o.<\/p>\n Ent\u00e3o, eu me perguntava como pensar os la\u00e7os atuais no amor com essas duas b\u00fassolas lacanianas, quando o lugar do Outro perdeu sua consist\u00eancia e o gozo do Um \u2013 que nada tem a ver com o \u201cdesejo de ser Um com o outro\u201d pr\u00f3prio do amor \u2013 empuxa sem medida\u2026<\/p>\n Voc\u00ea tem trabalhado o tema do amor e do gozo em seus testemunhos e em v\u00e1rios de seus textos; recentemente li esse em que voc\u00ea fala de \u201cO feminino e o infamiliar\u201d, certamente precioso! Para mim, \u00e9 um tema de leituras constantes. Conversemos, se voc\u00ea quiser, pelo menos isso nos manter\u00e1 mais pr\u00f3ximas!<\/p>\n Um grande abra\u00e7o,<\/p>\n [\/fusion_testimonial][\/fusion_testimonials][fusion_separator style_type=\u00bbnone\u00bb hide_on_mobile=\u00bbsmall-visibility,medium-visibility,large-visibility\u00bb sticky_display=\u00bbnormal,sticky\u00bb class=\u00bb\u00bb id=\u00bb\u00bb flex_grow=\u00bb0″ top_margin=\u00bb20″ bottom_margin=\u00bb20″ width=\u00bb\u00bb alignment=\u00bbcenter\u00bb border_size=\u00bb\u00bb sep_color=\u00bb\u00bb icon=\u00bb\u00bb icon_size=\u00bb\u00bb icon_color=\u00bb\u00bb icon_circle=\u00bb\u00bb icon_circle_color=\u00bb\u00bb \/][fusion_testimonials design=\u00bbclassic\u00bb navigation=\u00bbno\u00bb speed=\u00bb0″ backgroundcolor=\u00bb#2a2a38″ textcolor=\u00bb#ffffff\u00bb random=\u00bb\u00bb hide_on_mobile=\u00bbsmall-visibility,medium-visibility,large-visibility\u00bb class=\u00bb\u00bb id=\u00bb\u00bb][fusion_testimonial name=\u00bbPepita Sota Fuente\u00bb avatar=\u00bbfemale\u00bb image=\u00bb\u00bb image_id=\u00bb\u00bb image_border_radius=\u00bb\u00bb company=\u00bb\u00bb link=\u00bb\u00bb target=\u00bb_self\u00bb]<\/p>\n 14 de mar\u00e7o de 2021. S\u00e3o Paulo, Brasil<\/p>\n Querida Gaby,<\/p>\n Te agrade\u00e7o muito pelas palavras, pelas perguntas e por essa possibilidade de sustentar os la\u00e7os de amizade e de trabalho nesses tempos t\u00e3o dif\u00edceis que atravessamos. Sobre o tema do amor, acredito que o Semin\u00e1rio 20<\/em> \u00e9 especialmente importante, pois penso que ali h\u00e1 uma esp\u00e9cie de elogio ao amor, quando antes costumava aparecer, sobretudo, do lado do engano imagin\u00e1rio, do narcisismo, de uma ilus\u00e3o, etc. Se partimos da n\u00e3o rela\u00e7\u00e3o sexual como um fato humano, se radicaliza a necessidade de supl\u00eancia frente a essa aus\u00eancia, e o amor \u00e9 localizado por Lacan exatamente nessa fun\u00e7\u00e3o fundamental para a exist\u00eancia do la\u00e7o social. \u00c9 o que voc\u00ea dizia no seu coment\u00e1rio, de um lado o amor cumpre a fun\u00e7\u00e3o de possibilidade de encontro, ainda que por outro lado seja impotente para fazer existir a rela\u00e7\u00e3o sexual, mas n\u00e3o o \u00e9 como modo de enlace ao Outro, ao Outro que n\u00e3o existe, em todo caso, mas que ainda assim pode ganhar consist\u00eancia no amor.<\/p>\n Todavia, nem sempre o amor cumpre a fun\u00e7\u00e3o de enlace. \u00c0s vezes \u00e9 justamente o que impede o la\u00e7o, como costumamos encontrar nas modalidades de amor erotoman\u00edaco ou no refor\u00e7amento da demanda de amor, nesse sintoma t\u00e3o comum nas mulheres, como dizia Freud, que exigem ser amadas e que muitas vezes se imp\u00f5e na transfer\u00eancia como um obst\u00e1culo \u00e0 an\u00e1lise ou como ruptura do la\u00e7o com o partenaire<\/em>. Pode ser insuport\u00e1vel e enlouquecedor para qualquer um lidar com a demanda infinita de amor, tanto para o partenaire<\/em> como para quem o demanda! Por isso, o tema de um amor mais digno \u00e9 t\u00e3o importante para n\u00f3s: um amor poss\u00edvel justamente por alojar os imposs\u00edveis ao redor do qual gravita. A experi\u00eancia de uma an\u00e1lise pode ser o terreno f\u00e9rtil para que esse novo la\u00e7o se construa.<\/p>\n H\u00e1 um ponto que est\u00e1 relacionado com isto, talvez fosse interessante esclarec\u00ea-lo. \u00c9 quando Lacan diz, no Semin\u00e1rio20<\/em>, que o amor n\u00e3o \u00e9 signo do gozo do Outro, mas signo de que mudamos de discurso. \u00c9 quando emerge algo do discurso anal\u00edtico. Um amor surge ali, dessa mudan\u00e7a de discurso.<\/p>\n O que voc\u00ea acha?<\/p>\n \u00a0<\/p>\n Com carinho e se cuida!<\/p>\n [\/fusion_testimonial][\/fusion_testimonials][fusion_separator style_type=\u00bbnone\u00bb hide_on_mobile=\u00bbsmall-visibility,medium-visibility,large-visibility\u00bb sticky_display=\u00bbnormal,sticky\u00bb class=\u00bb\u00bb id=\u00bb\u00bb flex_grow=\u00bb0″ top_margin=\u00bb20″ bottom_margin=\u00bb20″ width=\u00bb\u00bb alignment=\u00bbcenter\u00bb border_size=\u00bb\u00bb sep_color=\u00bb\u00bb icon=\u00bb\u00bb icon_size=\u00bb\u00bb icon_color=\u00bb\u00bb icon_circle=\u00bb\u00bb icon_circle_color=\u00bb\u00bb \/][fusion_testimonials design=\u00bbclassic\u00bb navigation=\u00bbno\u00bb speed=\u00bb0″ backgroundcolor=\u00bb#2a2a38″ textcolor=\u00bb#ffffff\u00bb random=\u00bb\u00bb hide_on_mobile=\u00bbsmall-visibility,medium-visibility,large-visibility\u00bb class=\u00bb\u00bb id=\u00bb\u00bb][fusion_testimonial name=\u00bbGaby Camaly\u00bb avatar=\u00bbfemale\u00bb image=\u00bb\u00bb image_id=\u00bb\u00bb image_border_radius=\u00bb\u00bb company=\u00bb\u00bb link=\u00bb\u00bb target=\u00bb_self\u00bb]<\/p>\n Buenos Aires, 19 de mar\u00e7o de 2021<\/p>\n \u00a0<\/p>\n Oi querida,<\/p>\n Aqui estamos novamente\u2026 Achei super interessante sua proposta de tomar o Semin\u00e1rio 20<\/em> como uma b\u00fassola para pensar um novo modo de la\u00e7o amoroso.<\/p>\n De fato, conhecemos bem as formas do amor que fazem sofrer, sua dimens\u00e3o mais neur\u00f3tica e os matizes da demanda amorosa articulados ao fantasma, assim como tamb\u00e9m as formas do amor louco ou enlouquecedor. S\u00e3o as variantes do amor que recha\u00e7am a inexist\u00eancia da rela\u00e7\u00e3o sexual, produzindo um for\u00e7amento do la\u00e7o que n\u00e3o faz mais que desvelar sua pr\u00f3pria impot\u00eancia. Por isso, se seguimos a l\u00f3gica do n\u00e3o-todo formalizada por Lacan, me parece que a quest\u00e3o central \u00e9 como fazer para que o amor se acerte com o imposs\u00edvel da rela\u00e7\u00e3o entre os sexos. Entendo que a dignidade no amor \u2013 refer\u00eancia preciosa que voc\u00ea tomou \u2013 \u00e9 poss\u00edvel cada vez que, no la\u00e7o amoroso entre os seres falantes, se possa inscrever a diferen\u00e7a entre um e outro, o n\u00e3o-encontro estrutural. Claro que n\u00e3o \u00e9 f\u00e1cil chegar a esse ponto!<\/p>\n Penso, enquanto vamos conversando, que a experi\u00eancia da pr\u00f3pria an\u00e1lise \u00e9 o lugar in\u00e9dito em que cada sujeito pode ter not\u00edcia n\u00e3o s\u00f3 do pr\u00f3prio recha\u00e7o ao outro, mas tamb\u00e9m do recha\u00e7o ao mais singular que o habita. Talvez, somente quando se pode suportar a pr\u00f3pria singularidade do modo de gozar com o sintoma, haja ent\u00e3o espa\u00e7o para amar melhor a diferen\u00e7a radical do partenaire<\/em>, mas tamb\u00e9m amar a vida mesma.<\/p>\n Me pergunto se as novas formas do amor pr\u00f3prias da \u00e9poca atual podem ser mais abertas, menos reativas, se podem saber fazer melhor com a diferen\u00e7a e a n\u00e3o rela\u00e7\u00e3o\u2026<\/p>\n \u00a0<\/p>\n Beijo grande,<\/p>\n [\/fusion_testimonial][\/fusion_testimonials][fusion_separator style_type=\u00bbnone\u00bb hide_on_mobile=\u00bbsmall-visibility,medium-visibility,large-visibility\u00bb sticky_display=\u00bbnormal,sticky\u00bb class=\u00bb\u00bb id=\u00bb\u00bb flex_grow=\u00bb0″ top_margin=\u00bb20″ bottom_margin=\u00bb20″ width=\u00bb\u00bb alignment=\u00bbcenter\u00bb border_size=\u00bb\u00bb sep_color=\u00bb\u00bb icon=\u00bb\u00bb icon_size=\u00bb\u00bb icon_color=\u00bb\u00bb icon_circle=\u00bb\u00bb icon_circle_color=\u00bb\u00bb \/][fusion_testimonials design=\u00bbclassic\u00bb navigation=\u00bbno\u00bb speed=\u00bb0″ backgroundcolor=\u00bb#2a2a38″ textcolor=\u00bb#ffffff\u00bb random=\u00bb\u00bb hide_on_mobile=\u00bbsmall-visibility,medium-visibility,large-visibility\u00bb class=\u00bb\u00bb id=\u00bb\u00bb][fusion_testimonial name=\u00bbPepita Sota Fuente\u00bb avatar=\u00bbfemale\u00bb image=\u00bb\u00bb image_id=\u00bb\u00bb image_border_radius=\u00bb\u00bb company=\u00bb\u00bb link=\u00bb\u00bb target=\u00bb_self\u00bb]<\/p>\n 22 de mar\u00e7o de 2021. S\u00e3o Paulo, Brasil<\/p>\n Querida Gaby:<\/p>\n Gosto muito disso que voc\u00ea sublinha ao dizer que, na an\u00e1lise, algu\u00e9m pode dar lugar ao que tem de mais singular e insuport\u00e1vel em si mesmo, o recha\u00e7ado que, muitas vezes, aparece como \u00f3dio ao que no outro n\u00e3o suporto de mim. Pois justamente no amor, essa carga do gozo de Das Ding<\/em>, do mais singular em cada um, pode ter a dignidade de ter um destino, de ser abarcado no la\u00e7o amoroso.<\/p>\n O argumento de Ram Mandil localiza esse ponto. N\u00e3o se trata de um amor purificado ou n\u00e3o degradado, como o da vida amorosa desenvolvido por Freud. N\u00e3o precisamos da psican\u00e1lise para criar o amor ideal que fatalmente des\u00e1gua na impot\u00eancia de nunca estar \u00e0 altura. O amor mais digno comporta o imposs\u00edvel da n\u00e3o rela\u00e7\u00e3o, mas confere, em parte, algum destino ao real do gozo que pode condescender ao desejo. Certamente, isso n\u00e3o elimina a solid\u00e3o do gozo do Um incomunic\u00e1vel, indiz\u00edvel como tal. Mas sabemos do esfor\u00e7o de Lacan em buscar um la\u00e7o amoroso que comporte os imposs\u00edveis, no conceito de sua pr\u00f3pria Escola, por exemplo, onde nos cabe ter em comum uma causa, certamente, mas sobretudo a solid\u00e3o radical do gozo que concerne a cada um. Assim, o tema da transfer\u00eancia de trabalho ganha novas perspectivas se consideramos os desenvolvimentos posteriores do ensino de Lacan sobre o sinthoma<\/em>. 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Revis\u00e3o Marcia Zucchi<\/p>\n